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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:21 pm
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In Blake's song, "Have You Been Cheated?" the lyrics make reference to a song that is , perhaps, Jenny's or Rilo Kiley's.

And you put all your best words,
in the worst song.
And you can't bear to sing it,
when they won't sing along.

Does anyone think this relates to a real RK or JL song? Which one do you think?
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I would suspect it's a Jenny song, definitely. Especially when the song ends with "you don't know what you are, but you know what you've done, and now you're back out on the road HAVING FUN". If that isn't aimed at Jenny, I don't know what is.
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I think this whole song is a big slap in the face to Jenny, and I think it's hilarious....seriously makes me laugh when I hear it
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I've been ruminating over this song for a while. One writer pointed out the lyric "Is your daddy a hustler" might mean that some part of it is about Jason. If so, it couldn't be that bad because, unless I'm mistaken, but Jason was The Elected's drummer at the first two shows.
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jonesinforvagtown wrote:
I've been ruminating over this song for a while. One writer pointed out the lyric "Is your daddy a hustler" might mean that some part of it is about Jason. If so, it couldn't be that bad because, unless I'm mistaken, but Jason was The Elected's drummer at the first two shows.


That's interesting, because I thought the lyric 'is your daddy a hustler' might be in reference to Jenny's father, because in The Next Messiah and Somebody Else's Clothes she makes reference to her dad being in jail.
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I love this song! I also thought the hustler line had to do with the next messiah. As far as best words in your worst song, I assumed My Pet Snakes.
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On the topic of analyzing songs, someone pointed out to me that My Pet Snakes from I'm Having Fun Now is directed towards Blake. Whether or not that's true or not, I don't know, but if it is, it's pretty scathing. I had to look up the lyrics again and just reading them is interesting.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:07 pm
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for some reason the sing along aspect made me think of silver lining and how she's always asking everyone to sing blake's guitar part buuut that song isn't very scathing.
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for some reason the sing along aspect made me think of silver lining and how she's always asking everyone to sing blake's guitar part buuut that song isn't very scathing.


I don't want to go all DaVinci Code on everyone, but I always thought that Silver Lining was one of many songs that was rather scathing toward Blake. "Now I'm Gold"? As in Gold Record. That's ruthless. In "Big Break" There's this: "You came to me with all the force of a feather duster/Do you recall how you got your bell rung?/Did you forget you were my pet until you got loose?"

I always suspected that Jenny was referring to the fact that Sun, Sun, Sun and Rabbit Fur Coat came out on the same day. Sales-wise, B-man did kinda get his bell rung. In "My Pet Snakes" she sings "Are you trying to compete with me?"

Of course, Blake has dished out a shot here or there too. The bit in "Bank and Trust" about how mean his songwriting partner gets when she's drunk might have been hard for Jenny to swallow.

I think they've been writing about each other very candidly for a long time. Of course there's no way of confirming any of this.
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i kinda love analyzing songs. guess it's the english major in me.

today when i was listening to bury me in my rings, the line in "who are you" - "sometimes you give into the black light if a star burns out on you" ... with the recent quote from blake saying that he thought under the blacklight wasn't their best material... "giving into the black light" makes me think he conceded to some shit that went on leading up to UTB's release. like, maybe he did object to certain songs being put on the album (uh, specifically dejalo and 15?), but was overruled by jenny (and possibly johnathan)? thus "giving in"?

just a thought! since we're on the topic of analyzing lyrics.
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jonesinforvagtown and paramour, those are some mad lyric analyzing skills you guys have.
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paramour wrote:
i kinda love analyzing songs. guess it's the english major in me.

today when i was listening to bury me in my rings, the line in "who are you" - "sometimes you give into the black light if a star burns out on you" ... with the recent quote from blake saying that he thought under the blacklight wasn't their best material... "giving into the black light" makes me think he conceded to some shit that went on leading up to UTB's release. like, maybe he did object to certain songs being put on the album (uh, specifically dejalo and 15?), but was overruled by jenny (and possibly johnathan)? thus "giving in"?

just a thought! since we're on the topic of analyzing lyrics.


Nice find in that song. I agree, and I'm sure it reallyyy pissed off Blakes perfectionist nature in regards to music.
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jonesinforvagtown wrote:
I've been ruminating over this song for a while. One writer pointed out the lyric "Is your daddy a hustler" might mean that some part of it is about Jason. If so, it couldn't be that bad because, unless I'm mistaken, but Jason was The Elected's drummer at the first two shows.


Hi guys, coming to this discussion a year later.

I can't see this song being about anything else but the RK pains. The first time I heard this song I really burst out laughing at this line, since the next one was "is your mama a whore?" and, well, somehow tied that to Jenny since she's the female in the group. Something like that. And the simple use of the word "busted" a few lines later reminds me of Jason's "Burned out and Busted". So it has to be a Jason reference!! Very Happy

Then there are the other references in this album that are just glaringly obvious, as paramour mentioned with "under the blacklight".

I felt like there were probably a lot more references that I didn't catch, not being so intimately familiar with all of the side projects. Still haven't given Pierre a listen.
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Another line I always tought could be directed at Jenny is the line in This Will Be Worth It:

For every time we try.
For every worthless fight.
For every time we tie.

The last line seems like it could be a reference to the competitiveness between them musically.
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Pretty much everytime I want to post in this forum I have to stop myself from making an anti-Jenny rant.

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If Blake wants to write songs about his PERSONAL relationship with Jenny, then by all means do it. But as far as his gripes with her musically and concerning RK I think Blake needs to get over it and I'm rather annoyed with his seeming bitterness. I'm not saying Jenny is an innocent victim, but her references to him seem to be more retaliatory, but of course I could be wrong.

I have said it before and I'll say it again cause I got the WHOLE picture. Blake is butthurt because he feels inside that he is far more talented than Jenny and his music is just as good or better but she is getting all the attention. That may or may not be true but that's what happens when you're in a female fronted band. Blake Sennett falls in the same unfortunate category as people like Clem Burke and Tony Kanal: amazing musicians who take a backseat to the hot, female lead singer. I like The Elected but if he thought it was going to be this runaway success then he was foolish and while Jenny doesn't have to act like a big-headed bitch about it (which I'm SURE she did) the reality is, it just wasn't gonna happen. Personally, I think thinly veiled personal attacks in the form of a song are kinda lame. That's how 2pac and Biggie were killed. Can't we all just get along? Make love, not war and all that other corny shit.
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Hmmmm, I don't understand how one is better than the other. I think the musical relationship they had lasted longer than their personal one, though they obviously both fed into one another. And I prefer Blake's occasional vague or not-so-vague jabs at his perception of the band's unraveling versus Jenny's apparent portrayal of Blake in "My Pet Snake." But yeah, I was thinking the other day how odd it is that they both seem to still be annoyed and driven by a relationship that ended in 2002 or whatever. Though I guess it continued through RK long after that.
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Hmmmm, I don't understand how one is better than the other. I think the musical relationship they had lasted longer than their personal one, though they obviously both fed into one another. And I prefer Blake's occasional vague or not-so-vague jabs at his perception of the band's unraveling versus Jenny's apparent portrayal of Blake in "My Pet Snake." But yeah, I was thinking the other day how odd it is that they both seem to still be annoyed and driven by a relationship that ended in 2002 or whatever. Though I guess it continued through RK long after that.


I wonder how annoyed they could possibly be given the tweeting the do with one another. They exchanged tweets about Whitney Houston's death, and not that long ago Jenny asked Blake to come help her with her computer, and there were some other exchanges as well, so I'm thinking we just don't know jack about what's really happening between these two. I wish someone with access to these people would write a book about them.
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I'm thinking we just don't know jack about what's really happening between these two. I wish someone with access to these people would write a book about them.


Once upon a time, I knew a girl who was working on that.
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jonesinforvagtown wrote:
I'm thinking we just don't know jack about what's really happening between these two. I wish someone with access to these people would write a book about them.


Once upon a time, I knew a girl who was working on that.


That sounds like an interesting story. What became of it?
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jonesinforvagtown wrote:
That sounds like an interesting story. What became of it?


I heard that Jenny Lewis bit off her head and fed the draft to some serpents.
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I doubt either of them want a book written about them. The story is there, in the lyrics, for us to consider/translate into our own lives/project meaning onto/enjoy. Not just the lyrics, the music itself too. That should be enough. We should not demand more from them than they already give, which is terrific/sincere art. Boundaries - let's respect them.
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I doubt either of them want a book written about them. The story is there, in the lyrics, for us to consider/translate into our own lives/project meaning onto/enjoy. Not just the lyrics, the music itself too. That should be enough. We should not demand more from them than they already give, which is terrific/sincere art. Boundaries - let's respect them.


Boundaries? These two are the ones putting this material into their songs, so they brought it up.

And no one is suggesting that anyone write anything unauthorized. Lots of celebrities cooperate with writers. Sometimes they even write these books themselves.
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I doubt either of them want a book written about them. The story is there, in the lyrics, for us to consider/translate into our own lives/project meaning onto/enjoy. Not just the lyrics, the music itself too. That should be enough. We should not demand more from them than they already give, which is terrific/sincere art. Boundaries - let's respect them.


There is plenty of information out there on RK to string together and bind into a book without even interviewing any of them again. It wouldn't be very interesting for most fans, but it would be doable. No one said anything about prying into their private lives without permission. When someone is in the public eye, there is always going to be speculation. When fans speculate they think "hey, wouldn't it be cool to know what actually happened?". No one is talking about digging through their metaphoric trash or even asking them what happened. Let's all relax, everything will be fine.
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